Re: [dev] uzbl

From: Thomas Gallen <>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 18:15:48 -0400

> I know that Safari's developer tools are awesome, but I don't know how much
> of that is included in webkit.

From what I've seen pop up in Arora and Midori, a lot has. Everything
from the javascript profiler and debugging to the live dom tree views,
load graphs and such. However, I don't know how much attention anyone
else has given these tools yet since, as of the latest webkit and
Midori/Arora, the inspection and debugging tools still contain even the
same UI and textures as it's Safari styled version. Their stability at
times is also rather suspect, however, the stability of those tools
even in the Safari betas is sketchy, so I'm most likely speaking too

I haven't looked at these tools on the backend though, so I can't really
speak for the backend but from what I've used of them, they're probably
tied closer to webkit than anything else. Grab yourself a sufficiently
new version of webkit-gtk and Midori, enable Development tools, then
right click and element and inspect. All of the debugging tools UI is
webkit rendered, just like the Safari version and because of the lack of
attention to the debugger UI, it's pretty obvious that both it and the
debugger accessible in Arora are most likely one and the same. Just
neglected for the moment.


On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 04:51:43PM -0400, Kris Maglione wrote:
> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:30:46PM +0200, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:
>> I hear you. firebug rocks. I will probably also keep using
>> FF+firebug+web developer toolbar, but just for developing/debugging/..
>> web pages. Eg purely as a web development tool. (unless i find
>> something better). Uzbl aims to be a browser, not a do-it-all, so I
>> think it's a win-win. Though there is an inspector for webkit, which
>> may not be as feature complete as firebug, and in the future we may add
>> some features to enable/disable some things. Most things a person
>> could need can probably implemented in cleaner, more unixy ways with
>> uzbl and scripts. Just thinking out loud. We'll see what the future
>> brings.
> I know that Safari's developer tools are awesome, but I don't know how much
> of that is included in webkit. As for more unixy ways to do things, yes,
> there are. I added powerful javascript command line completion and object
> dumps to vimperator last year (and have improved it since), and I tend to
> use it a lot in web pages, and tend to use it a lot to debug web pages,
> etc. (e.g., document.getElementByClassName("foo-class<Tab>). That way I
> can interact with the DOM without any fancy GUI. I can barely tolerate all
> the clickyness of Firebug's UI, but I still need some of its features, and
> haven't figured out how to duplicate them in a more Unixy way. If there's
> some way to hook into WebKit's DOM, I'd like to add an external interface
> to it.
>> Weird. I fetched the wmii 3.6 tarball, but it only contains wmii9menu.
>> no wimenu. I even got the latest wmii+ixp-20080520
>> No wimenu either. I downloaded both from
>> Though wimenu is shown @
>> Now I'm confused...
> Yeah, it wasn't in 3.6—I think every wmii release to date has been done
> behind my back, and 3.6 is old. I'm working on getting 3.7 out the door,
> but I have a few touch-ups to make first. It's in the latest snapshot.
>> When you have slept and have a clear mind, read my "instances
>> management" proposal I showed you in my previous mail. I think you
>> might like it.
> Yep, I glanced at it and I plan to.
> --
> Kris Maglione
> Simple things should be simple. Complex things should be possible.
> --Alan Kay
Received on Sat May 23 2009 - 22:15:48 UTC

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