Re: [dev] [ubase] Announcing release 0.1

From: Christoph Lohmann <>
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 13:16:57 +0200


On Sat, 03 May 2014 13:16:57 +0200 Nick <> wrote:
> Quoth Christoph Lohmann:
> > I was thinking of adding some »app mode« to surf. You run a website like
> > inetd, use surf as a frontend and so allow the integration of all kinds
> > of javascript libraries as a local application. The benefits are: The
> > frontend is suckless, you can easily create new applications because now
> > nearly everyone knows the web. BUT, this wastes a lot of RAM. For work‐
> > ing on this issue surf might need to support multiple rendering engines.
> > Simple websites use netsurf and bigger ones decide between gecko and we‐
> > bkit.
> Umm... What? Are you seriously suggesting that HTML+JS+CSS is a
> reasonable framework to choose to build upon? Since when was this a
> community that rolled over and said "well, alright, everyone else
> does that, I suppose it must be the way to go then"? Perhaps you've
> been spending too long dumbly clicking "hit me" on the web, and it
> has been rotting your mind.

This community always was full of non‐creative non‐conformists, yes.

The last part in my e‐mail showed you that the basic suggestion is to
have the DOM more easily accessible. This does not include keeping inef‐
ficient languages to describe it. I suggested a bytecode at the end. For
now all of this is described using the web stack. Replacing one layer at
a time to maybe finally make the web suckless.


Christoph Lohmann
Received on Sat May 03 2014 - 13:16:57 CEST

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