Re: [dev] rebooting the web (it was: surf rewrite for WebKit2GTK)

From: Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey_AT_gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:40:59 -0400

Well there are certainly two types of websites,

Applications, IE open for hours, has many pages that are linked
together, like Facebook, Gmail, etc

then there is more of the 'content' sites, where each page stands on
it's own just fine, like a news website.

For portability, use what you've got. JS/HTML5/WebGL already are
dominant, so just put whatever abstractly on top?

On 31 October 2014 15:19, Lee F. <REMOVED_UPON_REQUEST_AT_gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Ralph Eastwood <tcmreastwood_AT_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here are my uses (if your uses are significantly different or if I
>> have missed something, please reply!):
>>
>> Browsing
>> - for software (github, sourceforge, etc.)
>> - for news
>> - random humour
>> - academic journals/articles
>>
>> Forums
>> - reading forums
>> - replying to forums
>>
>> Blogs
>> - reading blogs
>> - commenting on blog posts
>>
>> Online shopping
>> - Amazon etc.
>>
>> Software bug trackers
>> - Github
>>
>> Social networking
>> - Linkedin
>> - Facebook etc.
>> - Twitter (I don't use it)
>>
>> Web applications
>> - Google drive
>> - Google office applications for when I can't be bothered to boot into Windows
>> - Games (I don't play web games, but conceivably others might)
>
>
> I think this is a great way to start. We need to break down the use
> case of the web to know what everyone needs (to increase adoption of
> this new "standard").
>
> A lot of web sites function as interactive advertisements or
> applications. An interactive advertisement is like an application, but
> is more closely related to print media...
>
> So currently JavaScript and DOM serves as a way to manipulate a
> document. Another way to see this is JavaScript and DOM allow us to
> create programmable documents. Are there currently any alternatives to
> this? I can only think of XML being like this off the top of my head.
> We are free to use any language that supports XML (which is basically
> every mainstream language).
>
> So to me, looks like using XML solves one problem: we can use any
> language Y with document structure XML.
>
> Should the resulting "thing" then be just binary that is sandboxed?
>
> Another problem is being cross-platform. We need a technology that
> supports the produced binary (could be byte code) on all systems. Said
> binary can do many things, like draw, calculate, and do logic.
>
> So how do we get around that?
>
> Maybe what suckless envisions is a pure-text web where everything is
> just coming in like a printer, and there is no programmable aspect.
>
> Just my 2 naive cents,
>
> Lee
>
Received on Fri Oct 31 2014 - 20:40:59 CET