Re: [dev] Surf update

From: Hiltjo Posthuma <>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 12:48:15 +0200

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:25:55AM +0000, wrote:
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 08:56:58PM +0200, Quentin Rameau wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > This is not sane. There is no modern web engine which is suckless.
> > >
> > > Having a suckless front-end to those massive c++ object oriented brain
> > > fuckages sounds way too much schizophrenic.
> > >
> > > The first step would be to code a modular modern web engine in simple
> > > C or at least have an on-going effort towards it (which is a massive
> > > work, see netsurf).
> > >
> > > That said, the real culprits are web designers not providing noscript
> > > web portals to their web sites.
> >
> > Thanks for stating the obvious.
> I got the urge to recall that obvious to people here, coze it's discussing way
> too much on the surf front-end without anything done on solving the real pb:
> the web engine.
> I accounted for 3 other similar/critical issues while building my minimal
> custom distro:
> - the linux compiler, gcc, is slowly and surely turning into a c++ pile of
> sh*t. (I was unrolling c++ into C from its libcpp component the other day,
> I can see now that c++ in gcc is the work of sick minds or/and gangsters).
> - llvm (which, unlike gcc, has been a c++ pile of sh*t right from the start) is
> one of the worst pieces of software I have ever seen, and if you want to
> compile GPU shaders you must have it.
> - harfbuzz, the _only_ unicode layout engine which has an interface changing
> all the time, and a brain damaged implementation. I did a C partial port
> from c++, and I can tell you about it is that the guys behind this code are
> trash. All GFX toolkits are dependent on it, all web engines are dependent on
> it, that for unicode layout computation.
> The new obvious is: suckless is losing ground on critical pieces of software.
> What seems to be the only way to get alternatives to those components: several
> teams of several commited to suckless philosophy devs in a clear and sane
> full-time "comfort zone" for several years. Coze, on the other side, many of
> them are full-time employees in huge corporations/fondations with a luxuary
> visibility and luxuary comfort zone.
> --
> Sylvain

In the time of writing this obvious whine/rant you could have send a simple
patch to fix a bug or help the community. Instead you wrote this rant and
wasted everyones time.

As a suckless user you're not entitled to anything.

Kind regards,
Received on Sat May 27 2017 - 12:48:15 CEST

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