Re: [dwm] Coding styles

From: Tuncer Ayaz <tuncer.ayaz_AT_gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:26:07 +0200

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 6:00 PM, pancake <pancake_AT_youterm.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 17:28 +0200, Kai Gro▀johann wrote:
> > I don't understand why IDEs are considered so bad.
> >
> > IDEs make it easy to shoot yourself in the foot (by clicking with the
> > mouse, no less). But all C programmers know that it works to just avoid
> > shooting yourself in the foot. Also, there may be bad IDEs.
> >
> > I use Eclipse for Java programming, with viPlugin.
>
> im some bad times of my life i have been using eclipse with a home-made
> crack for viplugin. I can look for it if you want.

if you're a hardcore vi user you might want to take a look at
http://eclim.sf.net :-)

I've been using Vim for many years and after using some major modes
in Emacs I'm using Emacs for most coding jobs (of course with a custom
dotemacs) these days. Especially stuff like distel (Erlang mode) or
the Haskell mode which allows you to use Unicode symbols/characters
for stuff like lambda instead of '\' is great :D

> BTW, I never understood why viplugin is proprietary, paysoft and full of
> bugs. Its just anoying to have to pay for that so bad implementation.
>
> I have used javascript implementations for replacing textareas in webs
> emulating vi with more features than viplugin and for free.
>
> > Regarding lock-in: Our build infrastructure is based on make, and I
> > integrated Eclipse and the build infrastructure. This means all
> > projects can be built using make. There is no lock-in. (In fact, some
> > team members prefer Emacs, and some use vi. We all collaborate on the
> > same projects.)
>
> Yeah, eclipse is a very standard tool. Using ANT is far more better than
> using make. IMHO make is also a weird tool that should be replaced
> anytime. Current GNU implementation is full of unnecessary stuff and it
> highly depends on the shell so, it breaks portability.
>
> > Regarding power of the editor: With viPlugin, I get enough basic editor
> > functionality so that I do not feel restrained. Yet, the Eclipse Java
> > editor knows Java syntax and offers a much higher level of source code
> > editing. Specifically, we have refactoring and quickfix support, and
> > code completion and navigation.
>
> I miss lot of functionalities. And the bugs on it makes sometimes loss
> time trying to fail into insert mode.
>
> > Quickfix means that the editor recognizes common compilation problems
> > and offers corrections. I use that to speed up typing: I say String x =
> > someObject.someMethod(someArg);, then wait for the editor to flag the
> > compilation error, then let it correct the type of x. This means that I
> > don't have to remember the exact type that someMethod returns, and also
> > I get the import statement for free.
>
> My guidelines are mostly based on C, I know that coding for
>
> btw you can do all the same stuff inside vim with code autocompletion
> (there is an elcipse backend for vim), syntax highlighting, automatic
> indentation, etc..
>
> I wrote some shellscript to replace all these features from the
> commandline to get list of methods, find strings on source files,
> enable/disable debug printfs, etc.. Most of these features are easy to
> implement in the shell and give you more control on the source than
> using the common user interfaces for code autocompletion and so.
>
> But I understand that maybe I'm a big freak on this. I'm just offering
> my POV over these topics. not trying to change the mind of anybody or
> anything else :)
>
>
> --pancake
>
Received on Thu Jul 31 2008 - 17:26:07 UTC

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