Re: [dev] Some thoughts about XML

From: Szymon Olewniczak <>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:29:09 +0200

On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 01:02:34AM +0200, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote:
> Evan Buswell said:
> > But OTOH, I do like the idea of separating the translation-to-html bit
> > from the generate-sensible-output bit. XSLT may have done this poorly,
> > but it's on the right track (and what else works better for this, Awk?
> > Perl? m4?). I mean, I take the point that we can't really make the web
> > stack all that much better, but at least we can containerize suck?
> > Yes?
> Containerize suck of web stack? It is already containerized in browsers
> - choose the one that sucks less.
> See, the problem with web stack are not somewhere between the stack and
> the rest of your software and data. You readily may have your data in
> whatever format you want and share it via whatever protocol you like.
> Eg. you may have a bunch of JSON files accessible via their URLs as they
> are and via werc (or your custom CGI script) as HTML. The problem with
> web stack is the ugliness of web stack itself, and there is no
> workaround for that.
But think that we need to find something between. If we develop our
own window manager on top of X11(which itself isn't very suckless), its
useful beouse it uses X11 (something that is standrad now) and it let us
use all X11 apps in a less sucky way.

So I think that saying - all "modern web" sucks(which is right in fact) -
 let's make something completly diffirent is like saying - X11
sucks, let's create something that can replace it.

I'm serching for something similar as dwm in the web services world.
We cannnot force everyone to use something diffirent than HTML and HTTP
becouse noone want a huge revolution(users, web browsers and http
servers developers). But maybe we can use this tools to create something
less sucky, something that would make the web a better place.

I don't want to starting a new project that will make the web
worst place. I believe that web developdent can be done better rigth now and
I want to show that it's possible.

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