Re: [dev] tmux/screen alternative

From: Anselm R Garbe <>
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:49:35 +0100

On 22 February 2014 14:42, Anselm R Garbe <> wrote:
> On 22 February 2014 14:37, Markus Teich <> wrote:
>> Anselm R Garbe wrote:
>>> All I want is to have full logging of all output when building various stuff,
>>> now stali related stuff.
>> I would just pipe it to less.
> I rather want persistent logs. And I want it implicit. Sometimes I
> realize, oh dang, what was printed before and then it's too late
> already to launch less ;) Actually this is the main reason for a
> scrollback buffer IMO, it'll be only used if you forgot to pipe the
> output somewhere...
> Back in the older days, I actually intended towards a totally
> different st design as it is today. Originally it was planned to
> define a new client/server model, where st would've been just a client
> with an own formatting language to a st server. The st server was
> intended to provide full persistent logging and filter programs for
> the different terms that it would have translated into the st
> formatting instead.
> Nowadays st is just a simpler terminal ;)

Having said this, when I discussed with uriel about it several years
back in time, we really thought it to allow attaching to the same
terminal from various st clients, so taking terminal multiplexing a
bit further. We also envisioned that it could replace ssh and remote
shell hacks at some point, as an st client would define a saner
interface than escape sequences and termcaps/terminfos. All the ugly
task would have been down to the filter in between which must be aware
of the actual escapes and translating them into the st formatting

Perhaps this will be achieved in the future. The st formatting was
also thought to provide a "text mode" like interface, but a
*graphical* one. As most people do use graphical environments these

I hope this sheds some light into the direction I'm looking when
asking those really basic questions ;)

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