Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

From: patrick295767 patrick295767 <>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 17:58:43 +0200

I just check kakoune. It isn't very pretty, actually, but has quite
some features. Herewith a shot:

I still think that the Windows-like is cool, and why not upgrading the
C-code of clifreepascal?

For instance it would be possible to re-code the windowed- like
clifreepascal editor to add the features that were mentioned above,
such as:
1. Most vim bindings (not all, but most), just altered a bit in the
2. Fantastic syntax highlighting
3. Fantastic auto-completion (a small menu appears while you type and
4. Code folding
5. Snippet/template support
6. Documentation while you type
... it is just an idea.

Regarding C++, hey guys, try to stick to C, if possible !

Best Regards,
Uncle Pat++

2014-06-29 17:25 GMT+02:00 Maxime Coste <>:
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 03:00:32PM +0300, Dimitris Zervas wrote:
>> I think that a new text editor must be created, with text interface (and maybe GUI later).
> Hello,
> I have been working on an editor named Kakoune (
> that provides already a lot of that.
> Being written in C++11 (and depending on boost until the standard C++ regex
> library gets widely available), it will probably not please everyone in the
> suckless comunity
>> 1. Most vim bindings (not all, but most), just altered a bit in the way they behave.
> Kakoune reverse the vi bindings (action, movement) to (selection, action), which makes
> the whole thing much more consistent. Its based around multiple selections and use that
> extensively. For example there is no global replace in Kakoune. You select the whole buffer,
> the select all matches to a regex, and then you edit interactively all these selections.
> This gives an expressivity similar to structural regex in sam, with the difference that it
> is interactive.
> I maintain some solutions to vimgolf challenges using Kakoune, and they
> beat vim in several cases. (
>> 2. Fantastic syntax highlighting
> Kakoune supports extensive syntax highlighting, I recently added support
> for hierachical syntax. That means you can segment the code in regions
> (comment, code, strings for most languages) and then highlight differently
> in different regions. You can as well reference other highlighters so that
> '<script language=Javascript>...</script>' can highlight its content using
> the javascript highlighter while the rest of the document uses html.
>> 3. Fantastic auto-completion (a small menu appears while you type and you press tab to accept or ctrl/alt to navigate).
> this is implemented and relies on an external program to do the completion
> work. I have a clang based c/c++ completion at the moment.
>> 4. Code folding
> Not implemented yet, mostly because I do not use folding and there has not
> been much demand for that yet.
>> 5. Snippet/template support
> A basic version can easily be delegated to a separate program, more complicated
> template (with support for specific zones to be edited by the user) would
> probably require some support in the core code
>> 6. Documentation while you type
> Implemented, kakoune tries very hard to be self documenting and give help
> for available commands.
>> They may seem a lot and difficult, but they already exist here and there, just not all compiled in a suckless way.
>> I've tried most of the said editors and I simply can't live without my beloved vim bindings.
> Besides C++ (not a problem for me, but it seems the suckless comunity is not fan of the language)
> Kakoune is designed around suckless ideas:
> * Tries to remain quite simple (around 18000 lines of code).
> * Relies a lot on external program, no integrated scripting but ways to
> interact with external tools (similar to what tmux does)
> * No window management integrated, but a client server design allowing for
> multiple clients on the same session. That means you can use tmux, dvtm
> or your x11 window manager to manage editing windows.
> * No threading or plugins, keep things simple, interact with external
> programs for complex features, asynchrounously if needed.
> * Limited dependencies, ncurses and boost (with boost going away once
> gcc 4.9 gets more widely available).
> Try it, tell me what you think.
> Maxime.
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