Re: [dev] SGI Irix look (4Dwm)

From: Alexander Huemer <>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:41:28 +0200

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:11:28PM -0400, Andrew Gwozdziewycz wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 3:57 AM, Alexander Huemer
> <> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:14:32AM +0000, wrote:
> >> If anything, Apple's dominance has made people familiar with the Unix
> >> command-line, which is certainly better than had they been using
> >> Windows.
> >
> > Oh. Where does this come from?
> Direct observation. Go to any conference (I've only been to
> conferences in the US, so YMMV), or Meetup, and witness the number of
> glowing Apples staring back at you.
> Ask any of my friends / coworkers who were GNU/Linux users who now use
> an Mac and carry an iPhone in their pocket. Ask any "startup" who
> deploys to the "cloud" or to racked GNU/Linux machines what their
> developers develop their software on. It's likely named after a fruit.

I couldn't care less what these people do, they are morons.

> My last job advertised in the job description: "Whatever setup you
> want! We default to a Mac laptop and a giant monitor." I asked for a
> Thinkpad, cause I knew the recruiter had one, and was provisioned a
> Mac. They're solution to my desire to run a Linux distro? Use
> virtualization -- That's a shitty option if I want to use X + dwm
> though.


> > People are steered away from the commandline through Apples efforts.
> Most of the people I know on Apple machines still use the command
> line... And, they install stuff with Homebrew (, and
> they use iTerm2 (

The people one individual knows personally is quite a small sample. I am
talking about a broader view.

> > Or do you have some concrete example I do not grasp at the moment?
> > At least the people I know who are using OSX do not even know what a
> > terminal emulator is, let alone that there is one on their machines.
> Out of curiosity, where do you live? In NYC, you'll see coffeeshops
> filled with people on a Mac that have no idea what a terminal emulator
> is, but any of the developers in that same coffeeshop, will still be
> on a Mac.
> > When they look at my desktop they say things like
> >
> > Oh, it's broken. Do you think you can fix it? You are a nerd,
> > right?
> Eh. I'm guessing even some developers would say the same thing.

they should be fired instantly.

> They'd understand that you have terminal emulators open, but would be
> confused as to why there are no decorations around windows, or no task
> bar, or system tray, or any of the other things that modern, "usable"
> desktop UIs tell us we should have.

Again, they should be fired instantly.

Kind regards,
Received on Wed Oct 22 2014 - 16:41:28 CEST

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