Re: [dev] SGI Irix look (4Dwm)

From: Alexander Huemer <>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 17:13:49 +0200

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49:46AM -0400, Andrew Gwozdziewycz wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Alexander Huemer
> <> wrote:
> >> Direct observation. Go to any conference (I've only been to
> >> conferences in the US, so YMMV), or Meetup, and witness the number of
> >> glowing Apples staring back at you.
> >> Ask any of my friends / coworkers who were GNU/Linux users who now use
> >> an Mac and carry an iPhone in their pocket. Ask any "startup" who
> >> deploys to the "cloud" or to racked GNU/Linux machines what their
> >> developers develop their software on. It's likely named after a fruit.
> >
> > Unrelated.
> > I couldn't care less what these people do, they are morons.
> You are obviously not a moron, and that's all that matters.

People who are passionately using a tremendously huge collection of
blobs are morons.
Take a minute and think about the implications of the fact that you
don't and can't know what your computer does.

> >> My last job advertised in the job description: "Whatever setup you
> >> want! We default to a Mac laptop and a giant monitor." I asked for a
> >> Thinkpad, cause I knew the recruiter had one, and was provisioned a
> >> Mac. They're solution to my desire to run a Linux distro? Use
> >> virtualization -- That's a shitty option if I want to use X + dwm
> >> though.
> >
> > Unrelated.
> OK... Not sure that it's unrelated, but moving on...
> >> Most of the people I know on Apple machines still use the command
> >> line... And, they install stuff with Homebrew (, and
> >> they use iTerm2 (
> >
> > The people one individual knows personally is quite a small sample. I am
> > talking about a broader view.
> It's true. It is a small sample. If you can point to a large sample
> that refutes my observations, I'm all ears.

You don't need samples here. It's not a question of view, lifestyle or
samples, that's the point.

> >> > When they look at my desktop they say things like
> >> >
> >> > Oh, it's broken. Do you think you can fix it? You are a nerd,
> >> > right?
> >>
> >> Eh. I'm guessing even some developers would say the same thing.
> >
> > they should be fired instantly.
> >
> >> They'd understand that you have terminal emulators open, but would be
> >> confused as to why there are no decorations around windows, or no task
> >> bar, or system tray, or any of the other things that modern, "usable"
> >> desktop UIs tell us we should have.
> >
> > Again, they should be fired instantly.
> And you should be hired!

Well, at least I can verify what the tools do that I use every day.
Do that with your shiny Apple software and come back.

> Obviously, knowledge of window management on X, and alternatives are a
> requirement for basically every single job out there! Even building
> web apps for a *web browser*!

People have hired me in the past because of the look of desktop, yes.
And no, I don't develop web applications with ruby and javascript.

Take a good advice and throw your Macbook out of the window. Now.

Kind regards,
Received on Wed Oct 22 2014 - 17:13:49 CEST

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