On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Alexander Huemer
<alexander.huemer_AT_xx.vu> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49:46AM -0400, Andrew Gwozdziewycz wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Alexander Huemer
>> <alexander.huemer_AT_xx.vu> wrote:
>>
>> >> Direct observation. Go to any conference (I've only been to
>> >> conferences in the US, so YMMV), or Meetup, and witness the number of
>> >> glowing Apples staring back at you.
>> >> Ask any of my friends / coworkers who were GNU/Linux users who now use
>> >> an Mac and carry an iPhone in their pocket. Ask any "startup" who
>> >> deploys to the "cloud" or to racked GNU/Linux machines what their
>> >> developers develop their software on. It's likely named after a fruit.
>> >
>> > Unrelated.
>> > I couldn't care less what these people do, they are morons.
>>
>> You are obviously not a moron, and that's all that matters.
>
> People who are passionately using a tremendously huge collection of
> blobs are morons.
> Take a minute and think about the implications of the fact that you
> don't and can't know what your computer does.
Who are we talking about? *I* use free software. Despite that, I can't
fully trust what my computer is doing, because I can't verify the
hardware the software runs on isn't doing something malicious. I also
can't verify that my hardware isn't emitting signals that some
malicious person is picking up via some sort of device
[
https://www.usenix.org/legacy/events/sec09/tech/full_papers/vuagnoux.pdf
and others], nor can I easily verify that a TLS key that I'm
protecting my connection with isn't extremely weak, and in otherwords,
my communication is actually completely insecure. Nor, can I assume,
in this day and age, that there aren't a crap ton of other errors in
the TLS protocol, or bugs (keep in mind this is in free software
implementations) in the implementations that make me no more unsafe
than running blobs.
So, yeah, I can verify the software, perhaps, but that doesn't really
make me safe.
>> > The people one individual knows personally is quite a small sample. I am
>> > talking about a broader view.
>>
>> It's true. It is a small sample. If you can point to a large sample
>> that refutes my observations, I'm all ears.
>
> You don't need samples here. It's not a question of view, lifestyle or
> samples, that's the point.
As with any preference, or philosophy, one person is always right, and
everyone else who doesn't agree is always wrong.
>> > Again, they should be fired instantly.
>>
>> And you should be hired!
>
> Well, at least I can verify what the tools do that I use every day.
> Do that with your shiny Apple software and come back.
>
>> Obviously, knowledge of window management on X, and alternatives are a
>> requirement for basically every single job out there! Even building
>> web apps for a *web browser*!
>
> People have hired me in the past because of the look of desktop, yes.
That's insane and stupid, and you should have declined the offer due
to their idiocy! Any moron can learn to customize the way their
desktop looks.
> And no, I don't develop web applications with ruby and javascript.
Me either, but lots of other (some of them are even very intelligent!)
people *do.* Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Hugs and kisses,
Andrew
Received on Wed Oct 22 2014 - 19:23:46 CEST