Re: [dev] Never Ending Systemd Chronicles

From: FRIGN <>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 15:05:17 +0200

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 12:18:45 +0200
Christoph Lohmann <> wrote:

Hey Christoph,

> »My users are stupid[¹], let's make them more stupid[²] and helpless
> [³].« -- new slogan of systemd
> [¹] By assuming the users which really do some mount are not able to
> do a fsck or handle it in the right order.
> [²] Giving away the responsibility from the user to some software
> logic and adding yet another undebuggable layer of dependency logic
> will surely make things easier to understand and keep the leaning
> curve low. [³] By adding the above mentioned new complexity users are
> directly prohibited to learn about their system. This opens the
> ground for a new generation of »Linux experts« who's only task is to
> hide their incompetence. (As seen in many other technical markets,
> the Microsoft software niche.)
> We have seen where the hidden customer complexity theorem of Windows
> has led.

yes, this is a very good point! Added to this is the question if this
automatic logic really covers all cases you could also handle in a
simple shell script.
I have an encrypted raid and it's a 10 LOC shell script to call all the
necessary dependencies in the openrc context. It is definitely
questionable how easy this job is if I wanted to solve the same problem
using systemd-mount.



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