Re: [dwm] musca wm

Quite true, but the last time I installed FreeBSD or Plan9 on my laptop I
could barely have the mousepad working...

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Benjamin Conner <tommydabomby_AT_gmail.com>wrote:

> "Have you seen a piece of software that is small, efficient and easy to
> read and in each new version it become clumsy, slow and bloated?"
> Ubuntu.
> Worse eatch relese. (sp sp)
>
> On 5/15/09, pmarin <pacogeek_AT_gmail.com> wrote:
> > From Bash and readline man page (bugs section):
> > "It's too big and too slow.
> >
> > I think this bug is the perfect definition of GNU/FSF style.
> >
> > Have you seen a piece of software that is small, efficient and easy to
> > read and in each new version it become clumsy, slow and bloated?
> >
> > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Preben Randhol <randhol_AT_pvv.org>
> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 May 2009 20:29:11 +0200
> >> Mate Nagy <mnagy_AT_port70.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> > I cannot understand GNU software. ls or cat source in GNU is scary,
> >>> > glibc is even worse. The old UNIX utilities or Plan9 ones have a
> >>> > simplicity which GNU lacks. I don't have anything against the GPL
> >>> > license, but I prefer less restrictive licenses. And, of course, I
> >>> > don't like rms.
> >>> i don't know what's up with this newfangled popular hate for GNU
> >>> software. The GNU userland is a thousand times more comfortable and
> >>> usable than old unix, not least because some utils even have
> >>> >features< (imagine that), while the old unix tools were simplistic
> >>> >hackjobs.
> >>>
> >>> Minimalism is a good thing to consider while developing software, but
> >>> obsessing about it is no better than with anything else. I'm as
> >>> annoyed with huge monstrous software like OpenOffice or Gnome or even
> >>> Firefox as anyone, but wanting to take away the features of the CLI
> >>> userland that make it comfortable is mad. Would you use dash instead
> >>> of zsh as an everyday shell?
> >>>
> >>> At a risk of being boring, I'll say that the same argument can be
> >>> made about text editors: VIM is quite bloated and big, but it's
> >>> better than any small text editor; because text editing is one of
> >>> those typical tasks that cannot be comfortable without a million
> >>> features that are in no way related to each other. Even if someone
> >>> writes a really small, elegant, suckless editor core, it will be
> >>> unusable until:
> >>> - it gets encoding handling right (internal, file, terminal)
> >>> - word wrapping (disabled, enabled, soft, hard...)
> >>> - syntax highlighting and autoindent, for C, Python, Lisp...
> >>> - all possible tab behaviors (soft, hard, half,...)
> >>> - autocompletion, ctags integration
> >>> These are just the absolutely necessary basics, and if you implement
> >>> these, you already have a multi-ten-thousand line application.
> >>> Sucklessness goes through the window.
> >>> (Yes, there are people who make do with mcedit, but.. come on.)
> >>>
> >>> I say dwm (for example) is good because it's good, not because it's
> >>> suckless. The sucklessness is certainly part of its goodness, but not
> >>> all. If it was uncomfortable, would anyone use it? and it's still only
> >>> marginably usable with a multi-monitor configuration - proper
> >>> handling of this would require adding of this "bloat" everyone hates
> >>> so much.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Mate
> >>> PS. am not trolling :)
> >>>
> >>
> >> I couldn't agree with you more!
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Preben Randhol
> >> http://wee-free-lore.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
Received on Sat May 16 2009 - 00:02:59 UTC