Re: [wmii] Re: quick thanks... for wmii

From: Uriel <>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:29:54 +0100

So are you saying that vi doesn't suck because some versions have
become so incredibly bloated and out of control that instead of using
an external mountain of junk from the 70's, have internalized the
mountain of junk and now it is part of the same executable as the text

Yay, that is what I call progress!


On 1/19/07, Sander van Dijk <> wrote:
> On 1/19/07, Uriel <> wrote:
> > Vi is shit, and always has been and always will remain shit. Bill Joy
> Ah, now I get it, I hadn't looked at it from that POV, very convincing :-)
> > And you got it all backwards, it is vi which tries to do what is not
> > supposed to do, and which *CANT WORK* without the help of a terminal
> > that is fundamentally broken by design.
> Nonsense. It happens to run on a terminal usually (on most Unix
> systems) but that doesn't mean it's tied to them (see for instance
> gvim).
> > That ed adapts so cleanly and elegantly to the Plan 9 environment it
> > is a testament to the genius and insight of the authors of ed and rio,
> No arguing against that.
> > which knew what tasks each component should concern itself with, and
> > what things are none of its business.
> Indicating _what_ you want to edit _is_ the editor's business. If you
> disagree with that, you might as well say that ed is bloated because
> it keeps track of the "current line"; this can be considered "not the
> editor's business" by the exact same argument.
> > Vi will never be capable of taking advantage of a new and more
> > powerful environment, because by design it is stuck in a environment
> > of the stone age(or some hideous reconstruction of such environment)
> If you believe that each and every implementation of vi is bound to
> terminals I can understand this statement, but this just isn't the
> case. Windows gvim has OLE support for instance (and doesn't run in a
> terminal either). Note that I'm not saying that this is a "more
> powerful enviroment", just that it's a different one...
> Gr. S.
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