Re: [dev] suckless too to minify CSS, JS and html

From: harry666t <>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 12:17:20 +0200

I wonder how many people here that advise against minification, keep
their compiled binaries "readable". Please start shipping your
makefiles with "-Og" instead of "-Os" then.

On 19 May 2018 at 11:16, Hiltjo Posthuma <> wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 07:32:49PM +0100, Martin Tournoij wrote:
>> On Fri, May 18, 2018, at 18:38, Hiltjo Posthuma wrote:
>> > > As for my general thoughts on minification: use common sense. If you're
>> > > creating one of those pages with 3M of JavaScript then it probably makes
>> > > sense. If you're creating something more sane then it's probably just
>> > > wasted effort at best.
>> > >
>> > Don't create pages with 3MB of Javascript, that's insane.
>> I agree. My boss, our web designers, and many other people don't, so
>> unfortunately I do have to deal with it.
>> > I think concatenation/bundling in one file is fine, but not
>> > minification, because it makes the source unreadable.
>> I'm not really sure if I understand what the harm in that is as such? I
>> personally find it useful to have the full source for debugging my
>> *own* websites, but I couldn't care less what someone else does with
>> their website. Do you ever read the source of random websites?
> I do. For example it can be useful to overwrite insane layout things or
> write a non-javascript program to use the site "API".
> Make sure to write little code, then no minification is needed. Just use
> a little Javascript to make the site nicer to use, for example for form
> highlighting in "validation" (not real validation of course, this has to
> be done server-side always). Make sure using Javascript is not mandatory.
>> > Carefully evaluate what you actually use in the site. Don't use
>> > bloated Javascript (such as jQuery) and CSS frameworks (such as
>> > Bootstrap).
>> Sometimes using jQuery or Bootstrap makes sense. It really depends on
>> what you're building. If you're building a more complex website then
>> using jQuery can be perfectly reasonable. For a simpler website with
>> little JS? Probably not.
> You never need jQuery for this: for querying the DOM using querySelector or
> querySelectorAll or something. The days IE6 compatibility was required
> are long gone too.
> Here are a list of scripts without jQuery with (optional) reusable components
> for a website:
> When W3C/WhatWG finally writes a clear decent standard and it is implemented
> consistently I'll use it. Unfortunately they are a bunch of wankers in a dark
> room with no real-world experience. They are only interested in adding DRM to
> the web.
> Bootstrap adds atleast 100KB+ of CSS as a base "template". This is a
> waste of resources (CPU, bandwidth, etc).
> Don't spread bad web ideas to suckless.
> --
> Kind regards,
> Hiltjo
Received on Tue May 22 2018 - 12:17:20 CEST

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