Re: [wmii] Inferno/Styx

From: Kris Maglione <>
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:46:51 -0400

Not quite what I asked, but it made me smile, anyway. It's allways nice to
hear from like minded folks. Never pass up the opportunity for a good rant :)

Oh, and in reply to a message a little further down in the thread, Java still
"is" :( It's still being pushed like crazy and is just about the only language
most 1st through 3rd year programming students even see. It's also being
pushed like crazy in industry. And the worst part is that the methodology
that's so prevalent in the Java world is absolutely disgusting. I don't even
want to think of the tangled web woven out of classes and interfaces that
people implement to solve the simplest problems; look at the standard library.
It goes far beyond the mess that is C++. At least the Python/Ruby people
usually wind up turning out sane OO code. I think I should stop here. I could
rant for hours on this subject.

On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 08:48:14PM -0700, wrote:
> Yes I worked with Dave Presotto at Lucent on a project using a
> proof of concept with a and tried using the inferno concept with
> some window managers including early versions of wmii and icon. Mostt of
> these ideas came from plan9 at bell labs... They were largely shunned by the
> Object Software community at large because Plan9 and Interno did not
> subscribe to the propaganda of the object model architecture and instead
> extended the working and efficient ideas in C and in UNIX as wmii and now
> wmiii are doing with the "tagging" concept. This concept lets you use the
> key board like Plan9 did to manage through "plumbing" to mapp various things
> like PIPEs between processes but on a simpler and less abstract level. This
> process is quite powerful and thus wmiii does not have a large following as
> it could because almost all of the wmii and wmiii users are not brainwashed.
> The subscribe to a "german engineering" software philosophy which is clean,
> efficient, and does not burden the programmer with abstractions that do
> little but create a way to confuse yourself latter on where even you can not
> read your own code... and many C++ programs are fat, blotted object mind
> control that emenated from the C++ paradigm which did little except add a
> layer of "programmable confusion" to a very nice programming language call
> C. By the way most mission critical code in medical and military
> applications is still writeen in C.... I wonder why..??? Anyways you need to
> look closer to wmiii and play with the tagging.. it can do a alot of things
> very fast and once you set up your "tagged model" you can realy fly from one
> thing to another in wmiii.
> Thanks ... an advocate for Intelligent windowing systems like wmiii :)
> from inforVision - thanks... :))

Kris Maglione
If it's good, they discontinue it.
Received on Tue May 16 2006 - 00:47:24 UTC

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