I have no time to read your rant, but if you can't appreciate the
beauty of LISP (and specially scheme), I feel very sorry for you.
Scheme and C are probably the two most perfect programming languages
ever created, even if their perfections are opposed to each other.
The only way to acquire real knowledge is by being extremely critical
_and_ open to all ideas, no matter where they come from. LISP and C
are philosophical antagonists, but even a shred of real philosophy is
more valuable than what the herd follows, and one can always learn
something from any form of philosophy, as long as it is true
philosophy.
And The Matrix is one of the worst movies of all times, empty special
effects pretending to be philosophy, how pathetic, how low have we
gone.
uriel
P.S.: While traveling I have been playing around with Erlang, very
different too from the Unix philosophy, but still very interesting,
and clearly very superior to most things out there.
P.P.S.: In programming, conceptual integrity is of the greatest value,
so even if one is open to learn from all philosophies, one should
always remain faithful to his own philosophy, that is why I despise
GNU so much even if I deeply respect true Lisp hackers.
On 5/16/06, iv_AT_c-66-229-172-60.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
<iv_AT_c-66-229-172-60.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> wrote:
> This message is from the Anti-Matrix... The builders of free software
> the anti-thesis to corporate object model oppression.
>
> LISP and Object Models are irrelevant to wmii development as C is the
> primary means for this with nice shell elements. Do NOT try to convince this
> group that LISP is their panacea or that it was the reason JPL abandoned
> LISP. Programming Languages are now highly politicised corporate tools of
> mind control and psy ops corporate profit.
>
> Thats why AT&T funded C++ development. And Sun funded Java. These tools are
> no more capable and in fact are less portable and less used than C. C is
> like common English or German to most people that use it and write OS
> drivers, or machine systems interface code in it. It supports a clear easy
> to map abstraction model for the programmer. In addition psycho
> linguistically it does not encumber the program with features like objects
> which may or may not prove useful in most applications.
>
> Look C++ and Java have NOT replaced C and neither has LISP. And they never
> will. The abstraction of modern digital binary computers has its roots in
> machines designs like that of the Digital PDP-11 system and many of the
> elements in that architecture. And C was purpose built to program those
> types of computers. Period. It works. Its fast. And bad C programmers are
> free to indoctrinate themselves with whatever dogma that helps them sleep at
> night or get a corporate kiss up job and post junk like the JPL mind control
> link to wmii's mailing list.
>
> In addition the types of thinking permeating institutions is largely built
> on a model of moving program's away from the CPU machine paradigm into one
> that is totally abstract and thus eventually have programmers which do not
> even know how a computer works or how to build a CPU, since they have all
> been brainwashed into thinking in abstractions. When everything is abstract
> then your values and realities are unclear so you know not what you really
> are doing. Only real values and actual numbers can do that.
>
>
> CPUS are discrete systems of 1s and zeros and using logic gates can do
> binary integer based calculations which combined with sequence logic is the
> minimum level of machine intelligence need to built any system that can
> support psycholinguistic context free grammar mappings use to build
> "software" that allows these machines to operate as extensions of our
> building and thinking processes, and thus are the first robotic elements of
> programmable extensible human logical intelligence. This model all built
> from an abstraction on a PDP-11 in C, though is not how real spoken language
> works it is close and in its context free form as an LALR type 1 language it
> is enough to support complex logic sequences, state management, and
> relational data abstractions which from a mathematical level is all that is
> needed to build any thinkable abstraction of logic that can be made
> mathematically.
>
> Most modern systems stole C technology especially C++ and Java which are
> corporate rip offs with a mental disability call objects so that brain dead
> zombie programmers could be taught to think in "Abstractions" and not bother
> themselves with reality. This way they could write black box code like
> Objects which pushes the ideas that global variables are bad, so that entire
> overall systems and their operational parameters are not known to
> programmers of systems themselves but only to the upper object architects
> which if you ever worked on a defence project in C++ is the primary reason,
> so that programmers would not be aware of building larger and most
> devastating systems for all types of evil ends.
>
> In this way they could write code in a sort of operational vacuum and would
> not understand how their code would fit into a larger context and the
> reality of how those objects would be related to other systems and
> components Such a system would ensure that system architecture was only
> known to a few and large groups of information and systems could be object
> controlled on a mass scale. This was done to ensure that programmers would
> all be eventually enslaves to corporations and hidden things in objects and
> systems which as only abstractions with out global understanding of
> interconnection of systems through global variables. In this way levels of
> abstractions could be used to hide hidden pieces of software, spy ware and a
> whole host of the other goodies that could permeate systems if they were to
> be all object based a abstract in nature.
>
> Thats the really agenda behind abstractions in object languages. If
> programmers do not understand computers then they will be illiterate to
> the systems which may be built and may actually build a system through
> object abstractions that self enslaves them to a software model where so
> called "object architects" only know the totality of the objects and what
> they do in the object network. Thats what abstraction is about. Its about
> hiding things. Real things. True things. And without that mappings
> programmers and they types of information that they could control or create
> could be limited as object hierarchies once totally in place could act as a
> sort of control matrix only allow certain groups of instantiations to take
> place and thus this would be the beginning of a real mind control and
> information control matrix hidden inside a software methodology innocently
> call the "object model". Its really the matrix to enslave us all. Take the
> red pill Neo!
>
> In addition this link
> > Also well worth reading about programming at NASA:
> > http://WWW.flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html
>
> is a large amount of Psy Ops propaganda. Their are NO Unreliable C
> programs. Their is unreliable code generators. And ILL conceived programs
> that do not fit their operating context very well. But as far as reliable
> program translation on many hardware platforms under many operating systems
> in diverse deployment environments, NOTHING can Compare to C. Nothing. Every
> operating system that went to read this message has some C code in it based
> on a C program translator or compiler. C programs are the most reliable
> their are. Only bad C programmers or programmers being paid to make some
> other language seem better or more suited.
>
> In addition languages mentioned like LISP do little to be readable as good
> English based mathematical equations or algorithms would be read. It uses
> standard parenthesised arithmetic infix notation, rather than the more
> obscure linguistic style of pre-fix (polish stack) style speech which most
> natural languages of the English/Germanic derivation DO NOT use. The the
> programmer has to make to mental shifts one for the parenthesised reading
> and writing of the language and another in the mental translation of reading
> it to transliterate it which is always done to the native speakers language
> not matter if he / she is reading programming or Shakespeare. Read a good
> Book of psycho social linguistics from Chomsky or others that did semantic
> brain language mapping of complex and simple sematic mappings. You will see
> why C did not die as a language and why it will be hard pressed to suppress.
> It is the real language of the rebellion against the empire of the evil
> object borg.
>
> Thus reading a computer language that is closet to how you would map a
> program fragment in your brain in natural language is the closest to what
> is most easily understood and that which can be used to form complex
> thinking or mapping needs. So many cute quotes from computer science
> "celebrities greats" from so called higher institutions are just more
> sponsored propaganda to influence the thinking of the buyers and uninformed
> new programmers to indoctrinate them into the dogma of object thinking and
> complex abstractions which if you know anything about complex systems like
> the cell system in the human body is your worst enemy not your best friend.
>
> The software that the cells use in the human body from the genetic code
> sequencing and the chemical messages of the cells state machine will give you
> a very clear picture why abstract C++, Java, and other object abberations of
> logic and psycho linguistics.
>
> Object Thinking are a form of thinking which forces you to try to pre
> abstract your problem domain in hopes of finding reusable semantic sequences
> of code and data use to possibly safe future coding and bugs. The only issue
> is that humans problem solve not in abstractions but in analogy references to
> know mapped linguistic fragments of language that represent elements of the
> problem domain that are concrete and have definite semantics. It is these
> interconnected semantics that gives the program or spoken language the
> greater and new meaning in alternative contexts and thus new ideas or
> mappings are able to be entertained.
>
> So poorly operating programs are the result less of the language but the
> poor awareness of the needs of the system, the way to express a solution,
> and the ability to find a suitable machine translation mechanism to turn the
> program code into binary execution code that will realize the programmers
> desires.
>
> C is the only relevant programming language for large systems work that does
> not contain the object mind control disability issue. Objects are PROPAGANDA
> to try and kill C and systems built on those so that total enslavement of
> information control by corporations sponsoring objects systems could control
> all our computers and information systems.
>
> Everything other than C is just government sponsored new world order mind
> control trying to build a world of illiterate abstract unreal thinking
> coders that can eventually be used to enslave themselves with objects..
>
> >From infoVision the father of Neo in the Matrix!
>
> See the movie the Object Threat is Real and Must Be Stopped.
> The construction of the total control slave matrix is to be object based!
> C is the anti-thesis of this and is thus the basis of freeing minds and
> building the new world of Open Systems and People!
>
> Wmii is part of the solution also as it moves away from the abstraction of
> the mouse which and into the "thinking" mode through tags which will
> psycholinguitcially improve the memory and operational performance of the
> user. Both things that the Borg of object advocates would love to KILL.
> Tuff Luck dudes where still going to kick your ass with C.
>
> Live Free Code in C - Destroy the Object Matrix of Information Slavery
>
> infoVision - Now you understand the Name (I am the Father of Neo)
>
>
>
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